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Listened to the discussion. To be realistic, to have a peaceful world we need justice. To achieve global justice, Kishore's example of the boat without a captain needs further exploration.

Sovaida Ma'ani proposes in her talk 'Reimagining Our World' Episode 1, need for global governance, Sovaida is one of the few who have dared to advocate for a democratic global governance, even though many find it unrealistic.

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